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Johnnie
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Car wax & polishes Reply with quote

I'm going to be waxing my truck and my wifes car real soon. I've been doing a little research for the right products. I honestly don't feel like claying, waxing, polishing, etc.. I think I've found the right product that will take care of everything. Klass All-in-one polish and wax. I hear it's one of the best available on the market. http://www.autopia-carcare.com/kus-kla-10.html

I also read this great review by a DavidB (is this the same DavidB from SMF).
Klasse review

I want to take off a few minor swirls on my wife car and remove some of the gunk on both of our cars, nothing major.


What do you guys use and perfer? Does anyone know if I can buy Klasse at a local store or car dealer?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a traditionalist and am not much of a fan of all-in-one polishes. As much work as it is, I prefer my trusty old Turtle Wax paste and then do my Karate Kid routine.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've read Turtle Wax is very abrasive and dusty. Klasse seems to get rave reviews by many high end car owners.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnie,

Do you own a buffer? When I lived in California I was turned on to the products here: www.meguiars.com/ I buff, polish, and then wax with Eagle Wax. It lasts over a year. Just my $.02

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trumperman wrote:
Johnnie,

Do you own a buffer? When I lived in California I was turned on to the products here: www.meguiars.com/ I buff, polish, and then wax with Eagle Wax. It lasts over a year. Just my $.02

Bill


No I don't own a buffer and I plan on doing it by hand. I hear Meguiars is ok depending on what product you use.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.zainostore.com/

These are the best products I have ever used. Pretty easy to use, but with fantastic results. Plus it smells great. Once you try it, you will never go back.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Astro Shield is the best product I have ever used. Far & away the longest shine of any polish in my experience. Don't know how to post a link. It is huge in boat racing.



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John, Klasse is a great product. I use it to polish razors. I buy mine at www.klassedirect.com . Lately, I have been using a product called Prima from www.detailersparadise.com .


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a professional detailer, so I have high credentials on this subject. First off, to get the best out of your car detail, it is vital to at least wash, clay, and do a light polish. Although klasse AIO used to be a fine product, it was reformulated about a year ago to to meet new VOC compliance standards and is no longer the great product it used to be. If you want an all in once type product, go for Zaino All in one. It is a great all in one product that will polish and seal your paint. I would also highly (HIGHLY) recommend getting the Zaino clear seal. Clear seal is a product that is applied to the paint, and it self dries to your paint, no walking away. Durability on clear seal can easily exceed 6 months. That means no waxing your vehicle for 6 months. Just hand washes.

I have spent thousands of dollars on products, and tried everything under the sun. I can safely say that Zaino is the best of the best. While looking at the prices on the site (www.zainostore.com) you might think they are a little pricey, but the product is applied so thin to the paint that it will last a very long time.

If you don't want a full out detail, get this:

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-TRIP&Category_Code=Zaino&Product_Count=2

A price breakdown on the above package: You can get a car fully covered in the clear seal with 1/4-1/8 oz. The all in one will take about 1/4-1/2 oz per vehicle. The Z8 spray sealant (excellent after washes) will last a very very very long time.

If you want full bling, order one of the big packages from Zaino. Everything is the best in the industry IMHO.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Greg. What do you think if I just went with the Zaino AIO? Would that give me a good finish without having to do that other stuff.
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-AIO&Category_Code=Zaino&Product_Count=0

I'm really not into car detailing over even washing my car but it's something that needs to be done and I don't want to pay an arm and a leg to get both cars done.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could definitely go with the ZAIO only. I would highly recommend, however, a thorough claying prior to application. If you use only ZAIO, you will want to reapply 3-4 times a year to maintain protection.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do I need to reapply it every 3-4 months because it's ZAIO or because all cars should be maintained every 3-4 months?

Clay huh? Damn! If it's necessary, what brand do you suggest?

Also, is there a big difference between using Meguiars vs. Klasse or Zaino?

Can ZAIO be bought locally?

Thanks for the help.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnie wrote:
Do I need to reapply it every 3-4 months because it's ZAIO or because all cars should be maintained every 3-4 months?


The durability of ZAIO isn't as long as the Zaino z5pro, Z2pro, or CS, so it will need to be reapplied to maintain protection. [/quote]

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Clay huh? Damn! If it's necessary, what brand do you suggest?


The zaino clay is a great deal. It comes with 2 bars. You can split up each bar into 3 chunks. Claying removes any contaminants on your paint and will make it smooth as glass. After claying, ZAIO will apply and remove better and will be more durable.

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Also, is there a big difference between using Meguiars vs. Klasse or Zaino?


IMHO, yes. I used to use meguiars, but most of there products hide scratches and swirl marks rather than remove them, plus the durability wasn't the best. Klasse is a decent product, but due to recent reformulations, it isn't anything to write home about. I have found that zaino looks the best, is easiest to work with, and is the most durable product out there.

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Can ZAIO be bought locally?


Nope. You can get it from www.zainostore.com


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Greg. Once I figure out what I'm going to do, I'm sure you'll be hearing from me.

Will the finish last longer if I use Zaino Z-2, Z-3or Z5? I'm not looking to polish every 3-4 months.

Thanks,

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most durable finish IMHO would be ZAIO then Z5pro and Z2pro (can be swapped) then Zaino Clear Seal and Z8. This finish should easily last 9 month. I wouldn't be worried about polishing with ZAIO every 3-4 months. TO apply it to a car, it should take about 10 minutes TOPS.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GregCavi wrote:
The most durable finish IMHO would be ZAIO then Z5pro and Z2pro (can be swapped) then Zaino Clear Seal and Z8. This finish should easily last 9 month. I wouldn't be worried about polishing with ZAIO every 3-4 months. TO apply it to a car, it should take about 10 minutes TOPS.

Greg


Ugh, I think I'm just going to go with clay and ZAIO. I'm already getting tired. Then I've also read about different applicator and microfibers and how they can vary in quailty. I'm in over my head.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think of it this way:

Initial, first application.

Wash
Clay
Zaino All in one

--- 3-4 months down the road

Wash
Zaino

(should take about an hour to wash and reseal the vehicle.)

etc. etc.

If your car is garaged, you can probably get by with claying once a year, but if it sits outside, you will want to perhaps go with 2 times a year.

As for applicators, The zaino applicator is best for the zaino polishes.

Feel free to pm me and I will help you through. Very Happy

Greg


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's also important to pick the right wash product. Products formulated with detergents, no matter how good the brand, strip waxes and speed up the frequency with which you need to wax. Turtle Wax and it's ilk are wax killers. This is important to remember after you've spent 7 hours doing the Zaino routine.

Some new brands are going with oil based washes that remove dirt without stripping waxes.


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